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Ring's Wiz Is A WOW! jmiVEtsirv if Mum NOV 13 1981 see story in ARTS and L THE Volume 58, No.24 Friday, November 20, 1981 Phone 284-4401 Students Deride Not To Sue NCAA Suit Plans Dropped By JEAN CLAUDE de la FRANCE Head News Writer Two UM law students who last week were ready to file a lawsuit against the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) have decided not to file the suit. Following the joint announcement by the NCAA and the UM that the school was being put on probation for two years and was being kept out of a bowl this year, Jeff Klein and Mike Kosnitzky said they would seek damages in the court. But additional information given to them at a meeting with UM president Edward T. Foote II and UM attorney Paul Dee convinced them not to sue “We did not back down because of Mr. Foote, though we respect him," Kosnitzky said. “Our decision was made on information he gave us that we did not have in our hand before.” That information outlined several factors which the students were not aware of. Paramount of those factors is the possibility that “the NCAA could come backandlevy more damaging sanctions on the University," Kosnitzky said. The NCAA policies state that if a member school decides to appeal the sanctions imposed by the infractions committee, and if new facts are uncovered, the NCAA is can apply further, more severe sanctions. According to Klein, simply filing the suit in the name of the UM student body wouldn't have been enough to guarantee protection for the University. "The fact is that in essence that the NCAA could not come back Miami Hurricane/GINA MOLINARO Undergraduate Student Body President (USBG) President Bill Mullowney (left) presents cheerleader captain Marc Cannon with a certificate of appreciation. Each cheerleader received a certificate at the USBG Senate meeting on Wednesday. Rights Champion Resnick: Women Are Still Cheated MARIA E. SALAZAR News Writer The women's movement is a so-rial revolution which may be as profound as the industrial revolu tion, if it survives the Reagan Ad ministration, said Dr. Bernice Res nick Sandler at the UM Women's Commission 10th anniversary dinner held Tuesday at the Rosenstiel School of Atmospheric and Marine Science. Furthermore, said Sandler, thing really haven’t improved as much for women as many people think. "This movement is not only affecting women but it also affects men," said Sandler, the first person appointed to a congressional sub-commitee to work specifically in the area of women's rights. "Women's revolution will affect men’s relationships with their homes, jobs, and all their surroundings." In front of about 100 guests, men as well as women, Sandlers said the women’s commissions in Washington will not stop “because of all the women that will be hammering away, joined by men who really care about about women's rights and about their mothers, daughters and wives.” Despite good legislation, affirmative action and commissions to increase the number of women in professional careers, the general pattern of women in academia today is pretty much the same as in I971,Sandler said. "The more prestigious the job, the fewer the women,"she said. Only two men with Ph.D.s in social science and science are unemployed for every five unemployed women with similar backgrounds, Sandler stated. In the field of history, women's unemployment is 10 times greater than men. Worse still, she said, women earn 85% of what men in academia earn, while outside academics the share is 60%. This might sound puzzling, she said, because the majority of people believe in the “myth" that gover-ment takes away or withholds money from universities if discrimination is practiced. “But not even one penny has been taken away from an institution for sex discrimination practices," Sandler said. As for the Reagan Administration and discrimination against women, Sandler said, Washington is bad news. Many women-oriented programs have been severely slashed by the Administration's budget cuts, including the Women Educational Act. This act, which gives women greater opportunities to attend college and universities, will be cut by a congressional proposal of up to 40%, while other programs have been reduced by 15 to 20%, Sandler said. Also, women in science programs at the National Science Foundation have been "desolated,"she said. "This administration is not eager to enforce the strong legislature mandates which abolish sex discrimination in all the areas of education." Sandler said that even her own job on the presidentially-oppointed National Advisory Council on Women's Educational Programs has been threatened by the Department of Education. "This council advises the Secretary of Education on women’s matters but its staff and budget have already been severely cut." Similarly, the Women’s Bureau within the Department of Labor has been cut 30%, while the department as a whole has suffered 6% reduction, she said. “We have lost many good contacts in Washington,"she added. “The White House has special staff which handles issues affecting blacks, Hispanics and the elderly, but only up until a few weeks ago there was no one representing women's issues.” Women who during the administrations of Nixon, Ford and Carter had a louder voice and a better standing are now having a very difficult time communicating with federal officials, said Sandler. “Women have been rudely treated. A representative of a women- see page 2/RESNICK with greater sanctions — but we could not guarantee that," Kosnit-sky said. "Even the possibility that this might arise, no matter how remote, was too great of a price to pay." Another factor brought out by the conversation with Foote was the negative publicity the University could receive from the lawsuit. “The problem with the lawsuit was that having these things |the violations! back in the eye of the public |might| further damage the image of the University," Klein said. However, he added, that does not mean that new facts would surface which would make UM look even more guilty. “Let me put it this way," he said. “Some of the infractions could have been judgment calls as to what the intent was. “He |Foote| never said there was a coverup of any greater infraction than what was disclosed to the press, but by pursuing the legal course of action these infractions would end up bac in the paper again — and they may be interpreted different than they were in by the NCAA." Kosnitzky said he was impressed with the way the president gave them the facts. “We raised some questions about the sanctions, but F'oole seemed convinced that we got off off easy,” he said. “I have no reason to think that we were not being told the truth. Though they have decided not to sue, they still contend hat the NCAA’s decision was unfair and arbitrary, "It does not change our feelings about the NCAA," said Kosnitsky. “They consider themselves a vou-luntary organization, but, really, they are not. Where else can you go and play more competitive football and be on TV? They have all the contracts. “We think the system is bad because it hurts football players that have nothing to do with the infraction, and it hurts the student body. Miami I'«»ole (Center) Talks \* ¡lit SindciHs \l ilreakiust \s Huiler «Iti Hurricane/MARC LIEN ARD uhi ) I ,ooks ( hi Advisory Committee Set Up By GEORGE HAJ Head News Writer The University of Miami has decided to establish a student advisory committee which will participate in the search process for the provost and the deans of five schools, President Edward T. Foote II announced at an an informal breakfast with student leaders Wednesday morning. The search committees, whose work Foote said he hopes will be completed for most of the schools by the end of the academic year, will be aided by a separate committee of four students for the provost's search, and three each for the other dean’s positions. The student advisory committee for the provost search will include the president of the Undergraduate Student Body Government (USBG), and the presidents of the Student Bar Association, the Graduate Student Association, and the Medical Students' Association. Foote said he thought the new provost should "be extremely astute and have high standards for himself, high standards for excellence." Foote also said the provost should know "a top teacher and scholar," and "he or she should also have a lot of experience with universities and |he| deeply committed to the life of the mind and the life of the student.” Foote added that he would not appoint another lawyer like himself. and it would not be necessary for that person to have a background in student affairs, although he would need to have an understanding of students to hold that position. In addition to the search committees, for the first time, a committee on honorary degrees will be formed Adacemic Services Center Faces Disbanding Per Brown's Orders By JEAN CLAUDE de la FRANCE Head News Writer In a move designed to follow up on a study made last semester, Arthur Brown, dean of the College of Arts and Sciences, is taking steps to phase out the Student Academic Services Center (SASC). Though according to Acting Provost Dr. Clarence Stuckwish, the details have not yet been finalized, it is believed that the center will undergo drastic changes in the near future. A copy of a confidential report submitted last year by an ad hoc committee to Brown — to whom the center reports and who is responsible for all decisions concerning the center — explains why the center, which serves more than 700 students a semester, was deemed too expensive to operate. Rumors that the SASC was about to be disbanded drew a rash of protests from student leaders who accused Brown of trying to get rid of the center for his own personal reasons. Brown has denied that he was on a personal vendetta against the SASC, saying that “we are trying to make sure that the University makes the best use of its advising. We are looking into improving the advising process as whole." During a meeting with student leaders Wednesday, UM President Edward T. Foote II echoed the same thoughts, though he admitted he was not familiar with the specifics of the SASC. "The question is not so much what we have, but how there are better ways to do it | advising |," he said. But a copy of the II-page report obtained by the Miami Hurricane was accompanied by a memoranda in which the dean specifically requested that the ad-hoc committee “evaluate the responsibilities and the effectiveness of the Student Academic Services Center as It pertains to advising In the College of Arts and Sciences." The report was not made public because "It contains material that might be embarrassing to certain individuals," said Dr. Clyde Hendrick, who chaired the committee The report made a cost analysis study which showed "deary that SASC is a very expensive operation” and which called for several money-saving steps. It suggested consolidating all of the advising personnel of the College of Arts and Sciences under one person, who is "to have the full authority of the dean." It also recommended moving Assistant Dean Thomas Papino — the director of SASC — and two other advisors to a location near the offices of Arts and Sciences to continue advising. These moves, if implemented, will alienate the undeclared majors who are the primary concerns of the SASC, said Undeclared Majors Senator Mark Cheskin. “Of the students who use SASC, 40 percent go to Arts & Sciences, and 60 percent go elsewhere," Cheskin said. “So we can't bring the SASC closer under the college [because such a move] would not be beneficial to those students." The center, which was formed in the early 1970’s, uses four fulltime professional advisors, Papino, and students to advise students who are not sure of their field of studies or who can't get an appointment with an advisor in their school Part of the reasoning used in phasing out SASC is that with the drop in enrollment, the function of SASC becomes less important. However, according to Cheskin, the number of students who used the center has not decreased to advise the board of trustees on the selection of recipients of honorary degrees. The students on this committee will be the presidents of three of the honorary societies on campus. This will mark the first time that students have been involved in the selection process, the decision usually being made by the board of trustees in consultation with the president. Also at the breakfast — which was attended by Acting Provost Clarence Stuckwisch, Vice President For Student Affairs William R. Butler, and 30 student organization leaders — questions once again arose about Foote's reorganization of his administration, which mandates that more functions be tunneled through the provost rather than going directly to the president. "The decisions were not made to ignore students," Foote said, " but rather to do the work of the university as effectively as possible.” While many of the student leaders had complained that they were not consulted beforehand, Foote explained to the leaders present that he had spoken to a great many students, both formally and informally, before he made those decisions. In addition, he said, his changes reflected his experience with other administrative organizational systems. “This is a structure that I am familiar with, that I know works, and will result in better decisions," Foote said One student told Foote that “there are people who have been hired in the last couple of months in middle management positions in this University who are incompetent.” The student asked Foote what he.the student, could do about it. Foote asked the student to discuss the matter with him privately at another time and told the group that "if there are people working here who are incompetent, I don't See page 2/FOOTE Haikara And Lopez Elected By GEORGE HAJ Head News Writer Jason Haikara was elected editor-in-chief and Lydia Lopez was elected Business Manager of the Miami Hurricane in the Student Board of Publications meeting held Wednesday They will hold their positions during the spring semester. Miami Hurricane/GINA MOLINARO Lopez Haikara, a senior majoring in speech communication, is currently the entertainment editor of the Hur ricane. He worked as assistant entertainment editor last year. He is a member of the Student Entertainment Committee. Golden Key Honor Society and is on the Dean's list. Haikara says he has two specific goals he hopes to accomplish during his term. First, he plans to diversify the views presented on the editorial page by increasing the number of columnists in the editorial section. Second, he hopes to improve the sports section by improving the coverage of all the sports. “It is easy to find football writers," he says, “but it is hard for the other sports. What the sports editor should do is attend one practice of each sport and recruit a correspondent on the team who would in turn report to a sports writer." In addition, he says he would like to see more creativity in layouts and to better the quality of the newspaper by recruiting English majors to improve the quality of the writing in the newspaper. Lopez, who is a senior, won her first position with the Hurricane. She is the president of the public relations club, financial secretary of Golden Key, and has a 3.96 grade Haikara point average Deborah Wilker, the current Hui ricane editor-in-chief, and Andres Furgatch, the current business man ager, chose not to run for re-elec tion to their posts. "I am very pleased with th Board’s choices. I am sure both car didates will be successful next se mester," said Wilker "I was also very impressed witl the thorough job the Board did Each candidate was given plenty 0 time to present his objectives am that was followed by in depth ques honing and discussion Even thoual the meeting was very long, (4 and*, half hours) it was well worth th time spent ^ she added.
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Full Text | Ring's Wiz Is A WOW! jmiVEtsirv if Mum NOV 13 1981 see story in ARTS and L THE Volume 58, No.24 Friday, November 20, 1981 Phone 284-4401 Students Deride Not To Sue NCAA Suit Plans Dropped By JEAN CLAUDE de la FRANCE Head News Writer Two UM law students who last week were ready to file a lawsuit against the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) have decided not to file the suit. Following the joint announcement by the NCAA and the UM that the school was being put on probation for two years and was being kept out of a bowl this year, Jeff Klein and Mike Kosnitzky said they would seek damages in the court. But additional information given to them at a meeting with UM president Edward T. Foote II and UM attorney Paul Dee convinced them not to sue “We did not back down because of Mr. Foote, though we respect him," Kosnitzky said. “Our decision was made on information he gave us that we did not have in our hand before.” That information outlined several factors which the students were not aware of. Paramount of those factors is the possibility that “the NCAA could come backandlevy more damaging sanctions on the University," Kosnitzky said. The NCAA policies state that if a member school decides to appeal the sanctions imposed by the infractions committee, and if new facts are uncovered, the NCAA is can apply further, more severe sanctions. According to Klein, simply filing the suit in the name of the UM student body wouldn't have been enough to guarantee protection for the University. "The fact is that in essence that the NCAA could not come back Miami Hurricane/GINA MOLINARO Undergraduate Student Body President (USBG) President Bill Mullowney (left) presents cheerleader captain Marc Cannon with a certificate of appreciation. Each cheerleader received a certificate at the USBG Senate meeting on Wednesday. Rights Champion Resnick: Women Are Still Cheated MARIA E. SALAZAR News Writer The women's movement is a so-rial revolution which may be as profound as the industrial revolu tion, if it survives the Reagan Ad ministration, said Dr. Bernice Res nick Sandler at the UM Women's Commission 10th anniversary dinner held Tuesday at the Rosenstiel School of Atmospheric and Marine Science. Furthermore, said Sandler, thing really haven’t improved as much for women as many people think. "This movement is not only affecting women but it also affects men," said Sandler, the first person appointed to a congressional sub-commitee to work specifically in the area of women's rights. "Women's revolution will affect men’s relationships with their homes, jobs, and all their surroundings." In front of about 100 guests, men as well as women, Sandlers said the women’s commissions in Washington will not stop “because of all the women that will be hammering away, joined by men who really care about about women's rights and about their mothers, daughters and wives.” Despite good legislation, affirmative action and commissions to increase the number of women in professional careers, the general pattern of women in academia today is pretty much the same as in I971,Sandler said. "The more prestigious the job, the fewer the women,"she said. Only two men with Ph.D.s in social science and science are unemployed for every five unemployed women with similar backgrounds, Sandler stated. In the field of history, women's unemployment is 10 times greater than men. Worse still, she said, women earn 85% of what men in academia earn, while outside academics the share is 60%. This might sound puzzling, she said, because the majority of people believe in the “myth" that gover-ment takes away or withholds money from universities if discrimination is practiced. “But not even one penny has been taken away from an institution for sex discrimination practices," Sandler said. As for the Reagan Administration and discrimination against women, Sandler said, Washington is bad news. Many women-oriented programs have been severely slashed by the Administration's budget cuts, including the Women Educational Act. This act, which gives women greater opportunities to attend college and universities, will be cut by a congressional proposal of up to 40%, while other programs have been reduced by 15 to 20%, Sandler said. Also, women in science programs at the National Science Foundation have been "desolated,"she said. "This administration is not eager to enforce the strong legislature mandates which abolish sex discrimination in all the areas of education." Sandler said that even her own job on the presidentially-oppointed National Advisory Council on Women's Educational Programs has been threatened by the Department of Education. "This council advises the Secretary of Education on women’s matters but its staff and budget have already been severely cut." Similarly, the Women’s Bureau within the Department of Labor has been cut 30%, while the department as a whole has suffered 6% reduction, she said. “We have lost many good contacts in Washington,"she added. “The White House has special staff which handles issues affecting blacks, Hispanics and the elderly, but only up until a few weeks ago there was no one representing women's issues.” Women who during the administrations of Nixon, Ford and Carter had a louder voice and a better standing are now having a very difficult time communicating with federal officials, said Sandler. “Women have been rudely treated. A representative of a women- see page 2/RESNICK with greater sanctions — but we could not guarantee that," Kosnit-sky said. "Even the possibility that this might arise, no matter how remote, was too great of a price to pay." Another factor brought out by the conversation with Foote was the negative publicity the University could receive from the lawsuit. “The problem with the lawsuit was that having these things |the violations! back in the eye of the public |might| further damage the image of the University," Klein said. However, he added, that does not mean that new facts would surface which would make UM look even more guilty. “Let me put it this way," he said. “Some of the infractions could have been judgment calls as to what the intent was. “He |Foote| never said there was a coverup of any greater infraction than what was disclosed to the press, but by pursuing the legal course of action these infractions would end up bac in the paper again — and they may be interpreted different than they were in by the NCAA." Kosnitzky said he was impressed with the way the president gave them the facts. “We raised some questions about the sanctions, but F'oole seemed convinced that we got off off easy,” he said. “I have no reason to think that we were not being told the truth. Though they have decided not to sue, they still contend hat the NCAA’s decision was unfair and arbitrary, "It does not change our feelings about the NCAA," said Kosnitsky. “They consider themselves a vou-luntary organization, but, really, they are not. Where else can you go and play more competitive football and be on TV? They have all the contracts. “We think the system is bad because it hurts football players that have nothing to do with the infraction, and it hurts the student body. Miami I'«»ole (Center) Talks \* ¡lit SindciHs \l ilreakiust \s Huiler «Iti Hurricane/MARC LIEN ARD uhi ) I ,ooks ( hi Advisory Committee Set Up By GEORGE HAJ Head News Writer The University of Miami has decided to establish a student advisory committee which will participate in the search process for the provost and the deans of five schools, President Edward T. Foote II announced at an an informal breakfast with student leaders Wednesday morning. The search committees, whose work Foote said he hopes will be completed for most of the schools by the end of the academic year, will be aided by a separate committee of four students for the provost's search, and three each for the other dean’s positions. The student advisory committee for the provost search will include the president of the Undergraduate Student Body Government (USBG), and the presidents of the Student Bar Association, the Graduate Student Association, and the Medical Students' Association. Foote said he thought the new provost should "be extremely astute and have high standards for himself, high standards for excellence." Foote also said the provost should know "a top teacher and scholar," and "he or she should also have a lot of experience with universities and |he| deeply committed to the life of the mind and the life of the student.” Foote added that he would not appoint another lawyer like himself. and it would not be necessary for that person to have a background in student affairs, although he would need to have an understanding of students to hold that position. In addition to the search committees, for the first time, a committee on honorary degrees will be formed Adacemic Services Center Faces Disbanding Per Brown's Orders By JEAN CLAUDE de la FRANCE Head News Writer In a move designed to follow up on a study made last semester, Arthur Brown, dean of the College of Arts and Sciences, is taking steps to phase out the Student Academic Services Center (SASC). Though according to Acting Provost Dr. Clarence Stuckwish, the details have not yet been finalized, it is believed that the center will undergo drastic changes in the near future. A copy of a confidential report submitted last year by an ad hoc committee to Brown — to whom the center reports and who is responsible for all decisions concerning the center — explains why the center, which serves more than 700 students a semester, was deemed too expensive to operate. Rumors that the SASC was about to be disbanded drew a rash of protests from student leaders who accused Brown of trying to get rid of the center for his own personal reasons. Brown has denied that he was on a personal vendetta against the SASC, saying that “we are trying to make sure that the University makes the best use of its advising. We are looking into improving the advising process as whole." During a meeting with student leaders Wednesday, UM President Edward T. Foote II echoed the same thoughts, though he admitted he was not familiar with the specifics of the SASC. "The question is not so much what we have, but how there are better ways to do it | advising |," he said. But a copy of the II-page report obtained by the Miami Hurricane was accompanied by a memoranda in which the dean specifically requested that the ad-hoc committee “evaluate the responsibilities and the effectiveness of the Student Academic Services Center as It pertains to advising In the College of Arts and Sciences." The report was not made public because "It contains material that might be embarrassing to certain individuals," said Dr. Clyde Hendrick, who chaired the committee The report made a cost analysis study which showed "deary that SASC is a very expensive operation” and which called for several money-saving steps. It suggested consolidating all of the advising personnel of the College of Arts and Sciences under one person, who is "to have the full authority of the dean." It also recommended moving Assistant Dean Thomas Papino — the director of SASC — and two other advisors to a location near the offices of Arts and Sciences to continue advising. These moves, if implemented, will alienate the undeclared majors who are the primary concerns of the SASC, said Undeclared Majors Senator Mark Cheskin. “Of the students who use SASC, 40 percent go to Arts & Sciences, and 60 percent go elsewhere," Cheskin said. “So we can't bring the SASC closer under the college [because such a move] would not be beneficial to those students." The center, which was formed in the early 1970’s, uses four fulltime professional advisors, Papino, and students to advise students who are not sure of their field of studies or who can't get an appointment with an advisor in their school Part of the reasoning used in phasing out SASC is that with the drop in enrollment, the function of SASC becomes less important. However, according to Cheskin, the number of students who used the center has not decreased to advise the board of trustees on the selection of recipients of honorary degrees. The students on this committee will be the presidents of three of the honorary societies on campus. This will mark the first time that students have been involved in the selection process, the decision usually being made by the board of trustees in consultation with the president. Also at the breakfast — which was attended by Acting Provost Clarence Stuckwisch, Vice President For Student Affairs William R. Butler, and 30 student organization leaders — questions once again arose about Foote's reorganization of his administration, which mandates that more functions be tunneled through the provost rather than going directly to the president. "The decisions were not made to ignore students," Foote said, " but rather to do the work of the university as effectively as possible.” While many of the student leaders had complained that they were not consulted beforehand, Foote explained to the leaders present that he had spoken to a great many students, both formally and informally, before he made those decisions. In addition, he said, his changes reflected his experience with other administrative organizational systems. “This is a structure that I am familiar with, that I know works, and will result in better decisions," Foote said One student told Foote that “there are people who have been hired in the last couple of months in middle management positions in this University who are incompetent.” The student asked Foote what he.the student, could do about it. Foote asked the student to discuss the matter with him privately at another time and told the group that "if there are people working here who are incompetent, I don't See page 2/FOOTE Haikara And Lopez Elected By GEORGE HAJ Head News Writer Jason Haikara was elected editor-in-chief and Lydia Lopez was elected Business Manager of the Miami Hurricane in the Student Board of Publications meeting held Wednesday They will hold their positions during the spring semester. Miami Hurricane/GINA MOLINARO Lopez Haikara, a senior majoring in speech communication, is currently the entertainment editor of the Hur ricane. He worked as assistant entertainment editor last year. He is a member of the Student Entertainment Committee. Golden Key Honor Society and is on the Dean's list. Haikara says he has two specific goals he hopes to accomplish during his term. First, he plans to diversify the views presented on the editorial page by increasing the number of columnists in the editorial section. Second, he hopes to improve the sports section by improving the coverage of all the sports. “It is easy to find football writers," he says, “but it is hard for the other sports. What the sports editor should do is attend one practice of each sport and recruit a correspondent on the team who would in turn report to a sports writer." In addition, he says he would like to see more creativity in layouts and to better the quality of the newspaper by recruiting English majors to improve the quality of the writing in the newspaper. Lopez, who is a senior, won her first position with the Hurricane. She is the president of the public relations club, financial secretary of Golden Key, and has a 3.96 grade Haikara point average Deborah Wilker, the current Hui ricane editor-in-chief, and Andres Furgatch, the current business man ager, chose not to run for re-elec tion to their posts. "I am very pleased with th Board’s choices. I am sure both car didates will be successful next se mester," said Wilker "I was also very impressed witl the thorough job the Board did Each candidate was given plenty 0 time to present his objectives am that was followed by in depth ques honing and discussion Even thoual the meeting was very long, (4 and*, half hours) it was well worth th time spent ^ she added. |
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